Thursday, December 22, 2011

So often comics nail it

Wisdom once again from Doonesbury December 12.

The logic of how we got into the Iraqi war, the end result of it, we aren't going to find that from the right wing media. It's all about spin. Yeah, I know. left spins too and a lot of Democrats also let us go into this war. But some would never let us leave-- even as we go bankrupt trying to pay for it.

The thing is Cheney and his ilk want us to stay in Iraq forever to prove they were right. In the beginning, the Neocons claimed it'd be a fast war but now it's the we must stay forever kind. How about we recognize we made a big mistake, trusted the wrong people, and if ten years doesn't solve this problem over there, how would twenty? I think it is good we pulled out our forces (something Bush had also set up to do by this date) especially given the Iraqis not only want us gone but would not promise our troops immunity from prosecution if an error was made or even if someone said we made an error and we didn't.

To me, it is time to leave (past time), and it's up to the Iraqi people to make up their own minds how this is going to be for their people. Likely it won't be a form of government we would choose but we aren't them, are we?

I wish them well but I do not see putting our men and women in harm's way to resolve their religious war. We literally cannot do it nor can we afford it.

9 comments:

MerCyn said...

Amen. In the 'guns or butter' debate, our country has spent ten years fighting wars and paying for guns. it is time to pay attention to butter issues - the situation closer to home and getting our own house in order.

Robert the Skeptic said...

Saddam was a dictator, that is no doubt, but like Tito in Yugoslavia, he kept a lid on the ethnic conflict within the country. With the "lid" off the pressure cooker, the baser instincts are free to act.

Iraq will be a hotbed of civil war from here on... but we will never know as the US news medial is tired of covering it. They only want to report on celebrities, what they are wearing and who they are divorcing.

Ingineer66 said...

Another Red Letter day, I agree with every word Robert said.

I did not agree with how the war in Iraq was carried out, but it was approved by Congress and the UN. We still have troops in Germany, Japan and Korea, why should we be so quick to completely pull out of Iraq. What we are doing is much like when the French pulled out of Vietnam. The day after we left they started fighting with each other on a much greater scale.

Are we supposed to just stand by and watch as Iran takes over Iraq and then threatens the security of Saudi Arabia? Since Obama seems set on not getting more oil from Canada we will need Middle Eastern Oil to survive. Obama's incoherent foreign policy, energy policy and tax policy is making this a worse nation, not better.

Rain said...

so you also into the taxes to cover all these wars, ingineer? I love how righties talk war but never cost. And after what romney said about appeasement, I think any rightie would be worse than obama as they have no idea of cost or what he has done. Clueless is the word that comes to mind regarding the cost of war and what you can really gain from them

Ingineer66 said...

Me and most all fiscal conservatives agree that we did not pay for the wars or Medicare part D. We were yelling very loudly when W. went on the drunken sailor spending binge with the Congressional Democrats. What is funny is that when Nancy Pelosi became Speaker of the House she said they were only going to pass bills that were paid for. Then she went on the exempt every bill from that requirement that Obama wanted.

I say we throw out every person in Congress and not let any person that has ran for Congress in the last 2 elections run either. We need some new blood in there.

Ingineer66 said...

The other reason that Christians are being persecuted in Muslim countries is that we have tried so hard to not offend any Muslims while fighting wars in their countries. We fought War-lite in Iraq. We did not have a crushing victory like in WWII. Do you think if large numbers of Jews were still being perseceted in Germany after the war, we would have just said, "The war is over we are going home, good luck"? Or the same in Japan if Christians or other ethnic groups were persecuted. We occupied those nations and controlled the government. And we still have troops there just in case they are needed. And those countries have become some of our strongest allies. We once fought a war against England and they are our strongest ally, why do we have to cut and run in the Middle East?

Rain said...

We are not cutting and running. We made an original deal which was phony to get WMD that didn't exist and kill Saddam. That's what we did. Iraq said they did not want us to stay and if we left a few thousand men there, they'd be open to being prosecuted in Iraqi courts for anything that went wrong. We had a deal that Bush made which said we would leave on this date. What you apparently want is what bush originally said-- empire building. How do you pay for it now? Who pays for it rather... Our country has never wanted to be empire builders or did we...

Ingineer66 said...

We did not kill Sadam. We captured him and handed him over to the Iraqi's whom promptly tried him and executed him.

We used to want to be empire builders, but not in the last 100 years or so after we reached the Pacific.

Rain said...

Yeah right and we would have allowed them to set him free, had no influence on that trial. That's naive to think we wanted him anything but dead and Bush in particular expressed his desire for revenge ahead of the trial.

If you don't want to build an empire, why stay in Iraq? to be their permanent police force? Give me a break. We are getting out because it's what we promised to do and anybody who wants to stay better also favor higher taxes.