Tuesday, May 03, 2011


I just wrote a whole blog here to have it eaten by a very weird, kind of Pacman type of phenomena-- gobble gobble up the words with dots and only killing it all could stop it (that and switching to a different mouse). I have too many other things to do today to write the whole thing again but will put this link here to something Christopher Hitchens wrote which I thought was (as usual) a good look at the end to the bin Laden story.

I did want to add (if Pacman doesn't return first) that I do not believe the people in the streets Sunday night and Monday were celebrating a death as much as a victory-- finally. The United States hasn't had a lot of those. The same kind of thing happened at the end of WWII. It's age old for mankind to want to celebrate when something goes right and it's not death so much as that. Most know that terrorism threats are not finished, but they also know the man who has been behind a lot of the worst terrorist attacks the world has known, he's not going to order another one.

Rachel Maddow captured on her cell phone the singing of the Star Spangled Banner in DC that night. A spontaneous eruption of pride in this country. That's not gladiator time but instead seeing the end of a horror and proud that we have the kind of men and women who can find and take out a mass murderer with the potential at 54 to do it again and again over the years. The United States did something right and people deserved to be able to take joy in that.

There is a lot frustrating about the story given the probability that Pakistan knew where he was or purposely didn't know. They are also the ones who let North Korea have the nuclear bomb. Sorry, but allies? Not so much

Finally, I kept thinking yesterday about a quote from The Long Hot Summer-- "The world belongs to the meat eaters, Miss Clara, and if you have to take it raw, take it raw." It's sad it'd be that way, but I think it is. She replied she couldn't live that way. Some feel like that about the killing of bin Laden. I am not sure what the answer is to it for them as their sensitivity makes this kind of thing a lot tougher than someone like me who has long ago decided sometimes you have to do things you'd rather not.

If I hadn't believed Obama had a toughness to him, I'd not have voted for him because I think it takes that to operate in the world as it is not as we might wish it was.


Kay Dennison said...

Amen!!! As always, you said it well!!!!!!!

And I hope you ran your anti-virus and it ate Pac-man.

Robert the Skeptic said...

I'm left wondering what will really change now that bin Laden is dead. He started a momentum that is rolling along without him, many who hate the West feel he has long since become irrelevant.

I mean, will we really see a difference now that he is gone, or was our killing him more "symbolic" than the mere "symbol" he represented?

Rain said...

It's hard to say, Robert. I also think that for awhile the 'facts of all this will be changing. Maddow said last night that nobody should be basing ideology on an unfolding story and that seems about right.

But what I did hear today is that the information they gathered at the house will do a lot to tell us bin Laden's role in what al Qaeda does. They said he was still very actively involved in planning and leadership. Time will tell, I guess.

I think the decision to not release the photos were correct for the reasons President Obama gave. We don't do this for trophies or to gloat. We do what we must as a people to protect ourselves.

Ingineer66 said...

OBL was no longer in real control of Al Qaida, so it will likely not be a huge difference in the activities in Afghanistan. But it will hurt recruitment as people will see that if you really piss us off, we will eventually track you down.

Rain said...

Ingineer, I don't think they know he was not. If he still used a courier which is how he got caught, then he may still have issued orders and been very much in control. The problem right now is as Rachel Maddow said the other night, this is an unfolding story and no time to be making ideological points. Hopefully the truth of it will be a lot clearer in the future; although some may never come out for security reasons. What we don't know, al Qaeda doesn't either, about what he really had there at that house.