Friday, April 01, 2011

The Tea Party-- you know, the real one

If you thought you knew the true story of what was behind the Boston Tea Party, please check out this link from Thom Hartmann reading from a very old book on a first hand account of the event. It is a YouTube and also can be found through YouTube and other sources.

History is our protection especially in a time of lies and shallow knowledge about anything. People use symbolisms but half the time they have no idea of what is behind them. We better be sure we do.


Robert the Skeptic said...

I am so sad that this Moron Movement (Tea Party) was given so much press, and therefore implying credibility to their ideas.

As polls recently have revealed, a large percentage of people receiving government benefits don't even recognize that their benefits are indeed government sponsored.

Ingineer66 said...

I have not really followed the Tea Party. But I believe they are looking for a smaller, more accountable government. Robert, what do you not like about them and why are they morons?

Rain said...

I will let Robert answer for himself, ingineer, but here's one good reason -- Leonard Pitts Tells it Like it is.

I've heard Limbaugh put down those who would say he is a ractist because he has a call screener who is black, who no matter whether the person changes, he has the same nickname for them-- or used to. But whether Limbaugh is a racist himself, it's who is he catering to...

The issue of this link was that the tea party event wasn't at all what tea partiers claim. If they want to really follow after the original one, they should be after the corporate abusers, the unfairness in the tax code, the way our country has been canted away from the middle to the rich. That's what it sounds like the original guys had in mind.

Ingineer66 said...

I will agree the birthers are idiots. He was elected President so quit beating a dead horse. There are plenty of things to dislike about Obama's policies so stick to the issues and not the fluff.

The few people that I know that go to local Tea Party meetings are not birthers. They are in the "quit wasting my tax dollars on frivolous stuff and reduce the deficit" crowd and they are middle class hard working folks or are retired from the middle class hard working folks.

Ingineer66 said...

I thought the original tea party guys were a bunch of rich white guys that have been derided by the left in this country for years. Sounds kind of like you are trying to have it both ways here.

And everybody that cuts down Obama is not a racist. It does get old when that seems to be the primary defense when anybody disagrees with his policies.

Rain said...

The article indicated that pretty much all birthers are tea partiers and they are the ones who are racists. There are obviously tea partiers who are not racists but just don't want to pay taxes for anything that benefits somebody other than themselves...

Last night on Maher they were discussing the tax cuts the tea partiers want to make. They almost totally impact the poor or disadvantged. They don't want to cut military, SS which they might be getting, but if the poor are getting it, they don't like it and want it gone. This makes you think they also cannot be Christians, can they?

Rain said...

They do though want to cut border patrol which I am not sure they figure that helps with illegals in this country but logic is not a part of this bunch. Maybe they want the illegal labor as a cheaper source... They also are evidently in favor of cutting infrastructure on things like highways and bridges. That will work so well in the future.

Robert the Skeptic said...

Ingineer66 The comments section is too limited to go into a long dissertation, that said:

The Tea Party parrot their information Conservative talk shows; they blame the government for the recession and the overall economic downturn when it was private unregulated financial interests which created the crash.

They buy that less taxes (government) will equate to jobs creation. It won't - corporate America has shipped those out of the country and they are never coming back.

They don't recognize that the changes in health care legislation are in their best interest. Polls show that roughly 40% of the people to benefit from government programs DON'T RECOGNIZED THEY ARE GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS. (ie: "keep your government hands off my medicare")

They suddenly got all up in arms about the deficit of $14 trillion but were silent about it being $12 when Obama took office.

Equating the health care legislation to "Socialism" and characterizing Obama as Hitler.

I don't have enough room here to adequately lay out my case. But actually I hope they get what they wish for - they're poised for a rude awakening.

Ingineer66 said...

I was surprised to see what you said about the border patrol so I did some searching.

A University of Washington survey of Tea Party supporters showed that 88% favored Arizona'a anti-illegal immigration law.

"Tea Party supporters", says Patrik Jonsson of the Christian Science Monitor, "have been called neo-Klansmen and knuckle-dragging hillbillies". Jonsson adds, "demonizing tea party activists tends to energize the Democrats' left-of-center base". He notes that "polls suggest that tea party activists are not only more mainstream than many critics suggest, but that a majority of them are women (primarily mothers), not angry white men".

Rain said...

Oh yeah, they are against illegal immigration but like so many things, they are clueless how to pay for enforcing it. Border Patrol and Budget Cuts. It's like they are against entitlements until they find out that means it's their Social Security and Medicare. They are basically clueless and every study you talk about like that is generally done by someone wanting the results they get. As for it being women in it, no news to me that woman can be as ignorant as men especially about consequences. When you see the rallies, you see it's pretty much a mixed bag for male and female and somewhat older. Lately I have heard their numbers are also going down.

The point of this blog was that their talk of a tea party as being about the government was never true even in the beginning. Their latest heroine, Michelle Bachmann, is basically ignorant about history and I'd bet a lot of them are too in terms of understanding the real history of this country.

Kay Dennison said...

Wow!!! I'd like to see this wonderful book reprinted!!! It's a gem and I'd buy it in a heartbeat!!!

As to today's Tea Party. I have no use for them. I agree with Robert.
I also decided that I will not argue with anyone who tries to justify them. I think it was Mark Twain who said, “Never argue with a fool. Onlookers might not be able to tell the difference” and Woody Allen said,“Never argue with a fool; they will lower you to their level and then beat you with experience”. And my blood pressure is the true deciding factor.

Is it okay if I 'borrow' this link? I think it merits repeating across the blogosphere!

roman said...

So Robert calls Tea partiers "MORONS" while Rain implies they are "SELFISH" in terms of their goal of paying less taxes and shrinking government and finally Kay just thinks they are "FOOLS".
How can anyone even start a debate with people who are so enslaved by their own prejudices that they resort to personal attacks at the first sign of disagreement?
As a conservative, I experience this narrow liberal viewpoint to be childish and totally irresponsible by people who just cannot play by any rules of civil conduct.

Rain said...

So Roman, what would you say about the book regarding the meaning behind the first tea party? Given what is happening in this country with the middle class sinking whose side should the tea party have been on in Wisconsin if they really care about their own jobs and salaries?

When people say things that show ignorance of facts (like that they want hands off their Medicare but just go after government health care), one does assume they do not know the facts which means they are ignorant.

And I consider it selfish to only concern ourselves with what is best for our lives and not our neighbors. It is also unchristian.

It is hard to have a conversation between tea partiers and even moderates as partiers think their way is the only way. You can see it right now as the more moderate wing of the Republican party tries to work out a budget but there is no negotiating from the far right. My way or the highway pretty well ends discussions from the get go.

When people support a political movement without knowing who is paying for it. When they support less government but want all the handy government programs (like roads) that they use, what would you consider them, roman? Naive is the kindest word I can come up with.

Kay Dennison said...

Rain: Excellent answer. Thank you.